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		<title>By: AmericanException</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>AmericanException</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Evans, we're on the same page re: criticism but I think that fashion thing is the kind of stretch that is best attempted by accomplished yoga instructors. 

It might be that I am absolutely unconcerned about fashion but I believe it cheapens the entire enterprise. Holler at me when we see how Eric Holder handles the disproportionate sentencing issues in black America. I worry about just how petty some folk will get, losing sight of the forest not for the trees, but for individual leaves.

This country is facing a titanic economic crisis, one that will, like those preceding it, disproportionately impact black America -- do we really need that kind of distraction? It's unfortunate that for some folk Obama can do no wrong (trust me, I fight with them too) but I have no tolerance for that fringe of black America wherein he -- and Michelle -- can do no right.

The Warren issue was more substantive because Obama was raising the profile of someone who has had direct impact upon policy and people's views. 

As for paring the young evangelicals away, it's actually a pretty shrewd idea. We're not talking about Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell Christians here but a younger variant whose politics don't center solely on abortion. They're more likely to care about the environment and social justice/poverty issues as part of their religious mandate. In the end, that may pay long term dividends for Obama as he tackles things like green energy, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Evans, we&#8217;re on the same page re: criticism but I think that fashion thing is the kind of stretch that is best attempted by accomplished yoga instructors. </p>
<p>It might be that I am absolutely unconcerned about fashion but I believe it cheapens the entire enterprise. Holler at me when we see how Eric Holder handles the disproportionate sentencing issues in black America. I worry about just how petty some folk will get, losing sight of the forest not for the trees, but for individual leaves.</p>
<p>This country is facing a titanic economic crisis, one that will, like those preceding it, disproportionately impact black America &#8212; do we really need that kind of distraction? It&#8217;s unfortunate that for some folk Obama can do no wrong (trust me, I fight with them too) but I have no tolerance for that fringe of black America wherein he &#8212; and Michelle &#8212; can do no right.</p>
<p>The Warren issue was more substantive because Obama was raising the profile of someone who has had direct impact upon policy and people&#8217;s views. </p>
<p>As for paring the young evangelicals away, it&#8217;s actually a pretty shrewd idea. We&#8217;re not talking about Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell Christians here but a younger variant whose politics don&#8217;t center solely on abortion. They&#8217;re more likely to care about the environment and social justice/poverty issues as part of their religious mandate. In the end, that may pay long term dividends for Obama as he tackles things like green energy, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: evans</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The silly stuff definitely makes it harder for legitimate issues to receive proper attention.  However, a small, very small case can be made for vocalizing grievances that seem petty.  I think that the Rick Warren incidence is an example.  People on both sides of the issue agree that the move was symbolic.  I think the disagreement occurred with whether or not the symbolism and its various implications mattered.  As a result of the outcry, the Obama administration actually had to take a firmer pro-gay stance, something I'm sure they were not anticipating.  Likewise, the choice of designers of Mrs. Obama's dress designers can be construed as symbolic and maybe important.  It's a STRETCH, I know.  My concern is that what are deemed as Black issues, by some or many, continue to fall prey to criticisms of being petty, narrow, etc. When other groups, of all kinds, exercise the same strategy, I see less of such criticisms.  Maybe I shouldn't compare groups.  But again, since politics still largely comprises the fight for power amongst groups, I take note of such differences.

The Brooks and Collins article is a reference to how Congress hasn't really changed at all, i.e. voting on legislation without doing any research, bullying opponents, voting pretty much along party lines, etc.

Re Warren and pragmatism, I've been wondering why we need young evangelicals to enter the Democratic tent.  Are they worth it?  I question the value of bringing people into the fold who helped to ruin the Republican party as we know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The silly stuff definitely makes it harder for legitimate issues to receive proper attention.  However, a small, very small case can be made for vocalizing grievances that seem petty.  I think that the Rick Warren incidence is an example.  People on both sides of the issue agree that the move was symbolic.  I think the disagreement occurred with whether or not the symbolism and its various implications mattered.  As a result of the outcry, the Obama administration actually had to take a firmer pro-gay stance, something I&#8217;m sure they were not anticipating.  Likewise, the choice of designers of Mrs. Obama&#8217;s dress designers can be construed as symbolic and maybe important.  It&#8217;s a STRETCH, I know.  My concern is that what are deemed as Black issues, by some or many, continue to fall prey to criticisms of being petty, narrow, etc. When other groups, of all kinds, exercise the same strategy, I see less of such criticisms.  Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t compare groups.  But again, since politics still largely comprises the fight for power amongst groups, I take note of such differences.</p>
<p>The Brooks and Collins article is a reference to how Congress hasn&#8217;t really changed at all, i.e. voting on legislation without doing any research, bullying opponents, voting pretty much along party lines, etc.</p>
<p>Re Warren and pragmatism, I&#8217;ve been wondering why we need young evangelicals to enter the Democratic tent.  Are they worth it?  I question the value of bringing people into the fold who helped to ruin the Republican party as we know it.</p>
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		<title>By: AmericanException</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>AmericanException</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey (Evans) thanks for the comment. But we're talking about two different animals here. A few weeks ago I challenged Obama on the Rick Warren issue; during the campaign I took issue with his FISA vote.

More crucially, Obama's campaign made some notable mistakes vis-a-vis black folk during the campaign that I tried to highlight as well.

But here's the problem: the surfeit of dumb criticism makes it that much harder to create a space for the legitimate concerns to be voiced. I agree with you that Obama has to "prove" he's down for the people who put him in office but that will not be determined by who designed the dress his wife is wearing.

Now, as for the pragmatism, I haven't read Brooks and Collins on this but I absolutely think it applies to Obama. The Warren selection was pure pragmatism -- Obama is hoping to basically encircle his GOP critics by peeling off the younger evangelicals whom Warren represents. The same thing with the straw man of Rush Limbaugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey (Evans) thanks for the comment. But we&#8217;re talking about two different animals here. A few weeks ago I challenged Obama on the Rick Warren issue; during the campaign I took issue with his FISA vote.</p>
<p>More crucially, Obama&#8217;s campaign made some notable mistakes vis-a-vis black folk during the campaign that I tried to highlight as well.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the problem: the surfeit of dumb criticism makes it that much harder to create a space for the legitimate concerns to be voiced. I agree with you that Obama has to &#8220;prove&#8221; he&#8217;s down for the people who put him in office but that will not be determined by who designed the dress his wife is wearing.</p>
<p>Now, as for the pragmatism, I haven&#8217;t read Brooks and Collins on this but I absolutely think it applies to Obama. The Warren selection was pure pragmatism &#8212; Obama is hoping to basically encircle his GOP critics by peeling off the younger evangelicals whom Warren represents. The same thing with the straw man of Rush Limbaugh.</p>
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		<title>By: evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the criticism over Mrs. Obama's designer choices are silly, you are wrong about one thing.  The Obamas (President Obama in particular) do have to prove that "they're down for black folk."  They actually have to prove that they're down for everybody-they took pains to point this out during their campaign.  Most of us hail Obama's political astuteness, and IMO incorrectly call up pragmatism, when Obama reaches out to Republicans, the Christian Right, etc.  I think we're a little too content with having a Black man in the White House.  Since politics has not yet actually changed (Gail Collins and David Brooks have an interesting column about this in the NYT.), and is still largely a fight for power amongst different groups, I would hope that we do not now think that politicians look out for anyone's interests without pressure.   I'm not defending the silly stuff, but I have a concern that when legitimate issues arise, as hinted at by Dwayne, we won't challenge Obama because he's Black.  If so, this will be a mistake.  No politician should be able to take the Black vote for granted.  We might actually be a lot further if this was not previously (and still is) the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the criticism over Mrs. Obama&#8217;s designer choices are silly, you are wrong about one thing.  The Obamas (President Obama in particular) do have to prove that &#8220;they&#8217;re down for black folk.&#8221;  They actually have to prove that they&#8217;re down for everybody-they took pains to point this out during their campaign.  Most of us hail Obama&#8217;s political astuteness, and IMO incorrectly call up pragmatism, when Obama reaches out to Republicans, the Christian Right, etc.  I think we&#8217;re a little too content with having a Black man in the White House.  Since politics has not yet actually changed (Gail Collins and David Brooks have an interesting column about this in the NYT.), and is still largely a fight for power amongst different groups, I would hope that we do not now think that politicians look out for anyone&#8217;s interests without pressure.   I&#8217;m not defending the silly stuff, but I have a concern that when legitimate issues arise, as hinted at by Dwayne, we won&#8217;t challenge Obama because he&#8217;s Black.  If so, this will be a mistake.  No politician should be able to take the Black vote for granted.  We might actually be a lot further if this was not previously (and still is) the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron E. Price</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron E. Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Young should address the lack of African American faculty in the Andrew Young School of Policy Studies at Georgia State University. This school bears his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Young should address the lack of African American faculty in the Andrew Young School of Policy Studies at Georgia State University. This school bears his name.</p>
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		<title>By: JR Shells</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Shells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frat, this post is so goddamn money.  My wife and I almost fell out of bed when we saw on the news that Black designers were complaining that Mrs. Obama did not wear a Black designer... should we also complain that she doesn't have dreads or cornrows?  Folks like Andy Young are good to look to as inspiration but they have lost all seriousness or objectivity.  Did he make the same critique of Bill Clinton or George Bush?  Asinine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frat, this post is so goddamn money.  My wife and I almost fell out of bed when we saw on the news that Black designers were complaining that Mrs. Obama did not wear a Black designer&#8230; should we also complain that she doesn&#8217;t have dreads or cornrows?  Folks like Andy Young are good to look to as inspiration but they have lost all seriousness or objectivity.  Did he make the same critique of Bill Clinton or George Bush?  Asinine.</p>
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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
		<link>http://americanexception.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Hill Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, the line: &lt;blockquote&gt;Here is a useful bit of information that we might reflect upon during the next four years: Barack Obama is the President, not the host of Soul Train.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
is pure genius!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, the line:<br />
<blockquote>Here is a useful bit of information that we might reflect upon during the next four years: Barack Obama is the President, not the host of Soul Train.</p></blockquote>
<p>is pure genius!</p>
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		<title>By: AmericanException</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmericanException</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buckeye: Permission granted. Dwayne: I see your American Bandstand and raise you a Dance Fever. Don't know what that means, but felt like making a Denny Terio reference.

More seriously, I've said previously that there are limits to rationality -- unfortunately -- and Obama's greatest asset and biggest liability in some instances is his rationality.

Palestine is by no means a simple conflict and it is one defined by the extremes. Hamas appears to be the Islamic equivalent of the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe -- relying upon very real, very fucked up historical grievances to camouflage their own shortcomings as leadership. 

This doesn't mean that Israel gets a blank check but, as I've told my friends on the left, it's not like there's a reliable set of Palestinian leadership to work with either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckeye: Permission granted. Dwayne: I see your American Bandstand and raise you a Dance Fever. Don&#8217;t know what that means, but felt like making a Denny Terio reference.</p>
<p>More seriously, I&#8217;ve said previously that there are limits to rationality &#8212; unfortunately &#8212; and Obama&#8217;s greatest asset and biggest liability in some instances is his rationality.</p>
<p>Palestine is by no means a simple conflict and it is one defined by the extremes. Hamas appears to be the Islamic equivalent of the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe &#8212; relying upon very real, very fucked up historical grievances to camouflage their own shortcomings as leadership. </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that Israel gets a blank check but, as I&#8217;ve told my friends on the left, it&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s a reliable set of Palestinian leadership to work with either.</p>
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		<title>By: shani</title>
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		<dc:creator>shani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect ending. I knew I liked you for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect ending. I knew I liked you for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right to dismiss these silly inconsequential critims of the Obama presidency. Not to worry, there are going to be a number of real issues of concern with the Obama administration. One might start with his untenable position on the Palestine/Israeli conflict. 

As "Barack Obama is the President, not the host of Soul" Nor should we accept him serving as the host of American Band Stand for Corporate America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right to dismiss these silly inconsequential critims of the Obama presidency. Not to worry, there are going to be a number of real issues of concern with the Obama administration. One might start with his untenable position on the Palestine/Israeli conflict. </p>
<p>As &#8220;Barack Obama is the President, not the host of Soul&#8221; Nor should we accept him serving as the host of American Band Stand for Corporate America.</p>
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